The Fall of Fortress Vlillirier

 

Vlillirier has fallen. After seven years in Gallente hands, the Caldari have wrested control of one of the most well-defended systems in the warzone. Some called it impossible, but after thousands of losses on either side it finally happened.

They say history is written by the victors, but I figured I might as well get my word in while they’re still celebrating.

 

Astrahuses

There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that citadels had a major part to play in the battle for Vlillirier. I would go as far as to say that without them, the Gallente Militia would still hold the system, despite having State forces on every front. Before the Citadel expansion, attackers would have had only two other reasonable means of assaulting a system. They could have either set up nearby in a less well-defended system or set up a POS to stage assets from.

Using another a nearby system to stage out of increases your reship time threefold while leaving your forces vulnerable to gatecamps, making it less than ideal. The beachhead option of setting up on a moon with a POS also wasn’t always the best. A well defended system could be easily moonlocked and they were honestly much more vulnerable.

it’s almost certain that at least one will come online

Nowadays, with the Astrahus-class citadel, you can pop one down for a little over a billion ISK; you could drop four of them for about 5 billion. Place them all down during your enemy’s worst timezone and it’s almost certain that at least one will come online. Given that you are able to set timers, it means that your new beachhead could potentially be open for business for at least a week.

It’s been said that once a citadel is online and active in a Facwar system, it will fall. During the battle for Vlillirier the Caldari citadels turned every plex into a meatgrinder of cheap ships. In most cases there was little point in using a “proper” doctrine on either side since it would eventually succumb to the hordes of cheap Atrons and Talwars and you would lose the ISK war. It’s safe to say that without the quick reships and repairs that this would never have happened and things would look quite different right now.

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Alphas

It’s no secret that the Caldari have recruited the vast majority of FW newbros in since Ascension launched. Easy access to the best market hubs in the game plus what seems to be a well-planned recruitment drive ensure this. It’s now the case that Caldari militia members outnumber Gallente by a factor of 3:2 in active pilots day-to-day. It doesn’t necessarily matter that the vast majority of these are brand new players sitting in underwhelming ships.

When they’re all herded together by a competent FC, you’re looking at a solid fighting force. Perhaps they might not shoot the primary or they might not control their range so well, but taking on double your numbers in raw bodies is a steep task. I myself found while FC’ing in Vlillirier, that many times it was almost guerilla warfare. Many of the skirmishes involved trying to kill just a few before the blob got their hands on you.

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http://facwarstats.appspot.com

 

In addition to pure numbers, you have to consider that a single Alpha newbro in a Catalyst or T1 frigate can take a plex just as easily as a veteran Omega. By enticing them with the newfound tier 3 status, Alpha clones were able to spread out across the entirety of the warzone and join the farmers in offensive plexing. This richer breed of newbros, fueled by positive reinforcement and recent victories was a decisive force in taking Vlil, especially against burnt-out defenders.

 

Allies

While I won’t dip too much into this topic as space politics aren’t my strong suit, it’s definitely worth considering the impact of local pirate groups. The most obvious of which is Exodus, owners of the citadels through which the Caldari staged. By providing that foothold, as well as decent numbers to supplement Calmil, they were a big player for the first few weeks at least.

To further exacerbate the situation, it does look like the Caldari have made some new friends by way of Escalating Entropy and Shadow Cartel. Groups like these can be the focal point one which the fate of a battle rests. If we took pirate groups out of the equation and considered Gallente vs Caldari where heavy assets are concerned, then I feel we would still hold the edge. By having that constant batphone on hand though, taking down any citadel or committing a battleship fleet with caps is hard to justify.

 

Alternative Perspectives

In order to best describe the action of the past few months, I’ve invited a few guests from both sides to comment on how it all looked from the boots on the ground.

 

“It feels great to see such a long-term, concerted effort from all of Caldari Militia finally bear its fruits. And boy, they sure do taste sweet! I think everyone involved in the siege of Vlillirier is aware of the massive effort Plexodus and SQUIDS in particular put into this – they were pounding at Gallente defenses relentlessly for weeks before the rest of CalMil joined in and finally broke the resistance.

However, on behalf of Ylein Kashuken from SQUIDS, one of our main FCs in Vlillirier and one of the driving forces behind the current Caldari offensive, I want to explicitly thank all of our militia for the coordinated effort. Our FCs did a stellar job of integrating lots of general militia pilots into the siege fleets, and these newer and/or independent pilots played a vital role in this victory.

“I think we’ll see a lot of people ‘blaming’ their defeat on the influx of Alphas”

You see, I think we’ll see a lot of people ‘blaming’ their defeat on the influx of Alphas, on enemy Citadels (SQUIDS had one, and so did Exodus), and pirate interference; and while all those are valid factors, they are really selling short the huge amount of coordination and planning that all the CalMil Coalition put into this.

While Ylein and Damar (SQUIDS) and Remus 71 (Plexodus) were sieging Vlillirier, other groups were actively drawing Gallente forces away, and that strategy really paid off. Templis CALSF and BLOC began a  simultaneous assault on Eha, supported by Black Shark Cult, who deployed from the south. Meanwhile, Conoco reclaimed the eastern end of the warzone…

So we had the strategy, the numbers, the determination, and of course the doctrines in place to beat GalMil – even when outnumbered in certain timezones, we were able to counter and beat Gallente fleets with more numbers because they kept flying pure attrition doctrines.

Then, once we saw signs of GalMil breaking in Vlillirier, Templis and BLOC added their FCs and firepower to the already sizeable fleets of SQUIDS, Plexodus and general militia in Vlillirier, and it was a done deal. I think we all had a great time, and I think I speak for all of CalMil when I say that we enjoyed lighting up the Factional Warfare map for weeks on end. GF GalMil, and hope to fight you again real soon! ”

-Lynx Artrald (Black Shark Cult)

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“Due to the sudden surge in Caldari numbers the warzone was blanketed by the State’s pilots, contestation levels began to rise and Gallente militia alliances started buckling down and defending their own immediate neighbourhood, and understandably so. Although GMVA and JUSTK being neighbours meant the two alliances assisted each other between Eha and Vlillirier, Aideron looked toward the south, the rest of BEBOP and BLFOX turned their attention towards Rakapas and Nisuwa, while RDRAW decided to draw the line in Sujarento and Tama. This lead the militia being spread very thin and unable to allocate resources and time to assist Vlillirier

Vlillirier had been under attack for the past month and a half, with Plexodus, a few members of Templis and a vast number of the Caldari militiamen based out of Exodus citadels as mentioned earlier. And as the system was pushed to higher and higher levels each week the rest of Templis, SQUIDS and The Bloc became heavily involved during the latter parts of the siege, this combined with assistance from Exodus, Project Mayhem and ex-Caldari militia corporation Holy Cookie meant that the fall of Vvlillirier was certain.”

-Fenris Dallocort (Villore Accords)

 

“It was a lot of fun bolstering the Caldari Militia efforts over the past few weeks, and it feels great to have played a part in flipping Vlillirier. I’m glad Plexodus can now dock in their home system for instant repairs and ship insurance. Having lived in the longest held GalMil system along with some of their best PVPers for a long time, we at Exodus are glad to have booked a win and look forward to seeing what happens next in the warzone.

I saw MBLOC and SQUIDS showing up big to get the job done more than once. Thanks a lot to GalMil and opposing Vlil dwellers who brought great fights. I didn’t know I cared about EVE and Exodus as much as I do until I skipped watching a Blazer game to defend our Citadel.”

-Male Duckface (Exodus)

 

“The battle for Vlillirier was a turning point for the warzone I think. However, it felt that not all of the militia was up for it like they were with Okkamon or Aivonen when we were on the offensive. This then leads to think about the overall priorities and reasons for decisions are made as they are. On the other hand, I know that there is a plan behind this and soon it is going to unveil. Or is there one? 🙂

From PVP perspective, there were some good fights, but let’s be honest, Squids still lack some experience and if it were not for their numbers, I really doubt there would have been any such result as it happened now. Every reasonable FW EVE player would draw some sense from what I wanted to say, I hope.”

-Jed Abama (Spaceship Bebop)

 

After all is said and done I really just have to say GF Squids. I hope to see you more on the battlefield.

 

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Tags: Ashley Traynor, Factional Warfare, Vlillirier

About the author

Ashley Traynor

A wormholer who spends too much time in front of Pyfa and not enough actually actually scanning the chain. She has a great love for the wormhole way of life and feels that local chat is “too OP”.

  • sero_hito

    First off GF to the Squids. I think the mental state of Galmil for the last years has also contributed. Galmil has been used to seeing Calmil as a non-entity, that was weak and should be left alone untill they would recover. Due to this we were simply not looking if they were coming untill it was too late. Even when we took Aivonen Justk/Black fox mauraders were initially against taking it, as they were afraid we would break their morale. This has been the mental state for years, when sieges have been suggested (Sure there were some sieges, but poeple wanted many more that was turned down)… don’t touch the squids, they wil break. Hence no one was lifting an eyebrow when more systems were falling from solo offensive plexers. Calmil used this to suddenly take many systems from a Galmil who was still focussing on the resident pirates like they have been used to for some time. Untill the homesystems were being plexed. So we (mostly Galmil leadership) brought it on our selves by being blind to a growing resistence and negleting def plexing out side off homesystems.

    It is interesting to see though, that Calmil in their bloodfrenzy has learned nothing from our ROFL stomping off them, and the many years they took to rebuild. Enjoy a broken and demorilized Galmil for the next couple of years that will probably be fun for you……..

    • steve webster

      As a calmil member I was surprised at the lack of response from galmil when the whole calmil joined the assault

  • Otto Von Bismark

    Long live Caldari

  • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

    I don’t understand why this article was written by ashley traynor, she literally only fc’d one or two fleets (for around an hour each time) over the 3 weeks of vlil and even so she was extremely incompetent. From what some gmva members have told me the only real thing she organised (well, helped to) was logistics.

    Anyways, numbers weren’t the whole reason, maybe 50%, a good 40% of the reason caldari won was because caldari were willing to upship and fly more expensive and effective doctrines whilst galmil where only flying t1 derpstuff, from what I’ve heard from a few gmva members they actually refused to bring in any cheap cruiser doctrines like rlml caracals, kitey vexors, rail thoraxes etc. even though they had the numbers and isk to do so. From my experience on the caldari side the only time they flew cruisers was an outdated armor brawl vexor with almost no application to calmils long range ecm based meta. The vexors were blaster fit with medium drones and it seemed as though any effective kitey doctrines (apart from talwars and corms) where like kryptonite to them. If galmil was actually willing to upship and fly more expensive yet more effective setups, they would have stood a much better chance than just using derptrons 24/7.

    Whilst their derptrons are effective and fun to use, they require lots of numbers. Considering they only have around 20 online pilots (average) throughout the 2 weeks, they only really used derptrons and some talwars. The problem with their derptrons was that if they wanted to hold a plex (for example a small) they would need to send at least like 10 or so to get a good foothold on it and keep out intruders, whereas caldari could send 3 or so blaster catalysts, or even just a kitey slicer or corm and keep it secured. Also, caldari where much more efficient with refitting due to the citadels close proximity to the plex’s.

    Despite galmil trying to hold vlil with everything they (could have but didnt want to) have, they clearly didnt prioritize plexing over pvp. Constantly they would abandon a novice or a small plex to come and fight us even though it was clear we would win, even if they got killboard green like they often did, they left their primary objective open and we would just slip in some dessies or frigs into their plex’s while they try to fight. This meant in the end they lost so many more plex’s than they could afford to because they were greedy for kills.

    • Ashy

      dat salt tho

      • sero_hita

        If you take away the personal and tasteless ad hominem in his post, he is not completely wrong though. Our strategy failed as they managed to divert us for whatever reason. I am sure a part of this is due to more men being tied up in atrons like he said. Just ignoring criticism from the other side, because they write like a 8 year old is not wise, there is something to be learned in there

        • Ashy

          His name is Gian and he’s the 16 year old who left to join Plexodus as soon as vlil fell. He started insulting us as he left, just like he does with every group.

          The attrition doctrines have their downsides but given the ISK reserves and pilot skills, I did the best I could.

          • sero_hito

            I know exactly who he is, and actually enjoy the irony behind that he lead a lot of the fleets he complain about. I have been in his fleets where we were jumping all over system after some shitty frigate instead of plexing, so I don’t take him too seriously. His dubvious Character does not change however that some of what he mentions might have contributed to the outcome, and should be interesting for you (you know journalism, objectivity and all).

            The Galmil strategy might have been a contributing factor to the fall, and it is not mentioned at all. Why not? It would be an interesting angle seen from Galmil itself. All the factors you mention in this article are external factors, No selfreflection over Galmils performance at all?? You cannot tell me, you loose a war like this and no mistakes were made on Galmil side? You even imply that with ISK and pilot skils available you could not do more.. Why is that not in the article? That would have made this article better IMO. Not that it is bad, I quite enjoyed it, I just think there were more contributing factors which could have been included.

          • Ashy

            I want to give it a few weeks or months before I assess the state of galmil as a whole. I considered mentioning some of it but I don’t feel it’s time… yet! 🙂

          • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

            She asked everyone if they wanted to right a small piece for this article and when I said I would she instantly replied “Lol no fuck off”

          • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

            I didn’t insult you guys? Lets show everyone the chat: http://puu.sh/t2vmI/169f9cf641.png
            I didn’t insult you… You’re fucking delusional.

            Also Sero the only reason I was jumping around chasing shit was because people like fenris constantly complaining that we should just go kill shit in the other plex etc. I didn’t want to do that but when the whole fleet isn’t interested in following the FC’s orders there isnt much i can do about that.

            Ashley you’re just being incredibly immature about this.

          • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

            Also GMVA where the ones harassing me and shittalking/insulting me when I logged back into vlil as plexodus, even though I did nothing to warrant such abuse. I said in local multiple times for GMVA to stop with the immature insults but instead they resulted to even more.

            Ha, what a surprise! Just logged into this: http://puu.sh/t2vZR/f0664716ba.jpg

    • WTB Salt

  • Ylein

    I was looking forward to your article Ashley, but my fear has come true.Your article seems very one sided with a lot “Why we lost”, citadels, alphas, pirates.. for real?
    Fine.. citadels make it easy but its almost like POS if you know how to do it.
    Pirates? getting Exodus to not shoot calmil was hard and even then.. exodus had 3-5 pilots, doing what they want in system. Not to even mention how many pirate entities came to system and camped sites while your guys were able to deplex during my fleets. (I can speak only about AU/EU tz)

    That’s why I was telling your CZ colleagues that you have to speak with some FC from opposing militia, since we were there and saw your bad choices. This might sound harsh, but each one of your FCs failed his task to defend system. With going for fights instead of holding sites, terrible fleet compositions that always played to our cards (great example is usage of derptrons against our merlins or punishers, we had 70+ resists against derptron dmg and you were just throwing them at us).
    We were thinking that you are actually clearing hangars 😀

    Sorry girl, but I feel that article about something important like Vlill for cal/gal FW needs some great stuff, story from both sides of the wall.

    • sero_hito

      Well Lynx Artrald (Black Shark Cult) was quoted in the article, so Calmil was represented. But I agree it lacks reflections over mistakes made on the Galmil side.

      • AnRPlife4me

        The article is titled The Fall Of Fortress Vlillirier. Black Shark Cult do not appear to have been a protagonist in the campaign:

        https://zkillboard.com/system/30003836/top/

        The above may have been a good starting point for a balanced article. I’m surprised nobody from Plexodus was interviewed, given they are number 1 pilot, corp and alliance.

    • Nope

      Have you even seen the articles your squid fellows wrote for okkamon and Aivonen? Also exodus having just 3-5 people doesn’t matter when you use their citadels to base out of and you say it like its no big deal, in okkamon and aivonen galmil openly placed their citadels in the face of templis, their fones and a ton of third parties and base out of those. But nonetheless gfs were had and killboards were made green!

      • Ylein

        Oh boy, we didn’t use exodus citadels. The ONLY calmil citadel was placed on ihub!

    • Cough

      Exodus doing whatever they want is not flying griffins and derp cats for 12 hour shifts in plexing fleets FYI. Battlereports are there for all to see so I don’t see the point in trying to minimise their contribution, especially when that contribution came during a TZ (03:00-12:00) that no one but Fiji (and apparently IBLOB (EU) and Exodus (US)) calls prime time on weekdays.

      Any analysis based on tactics or doctrines is a bit stumped by Vlill defence lasting three weeks+. Superior tactics etc mean you flip a system in a few days, not struggle for weeks on end. This was a battle (or slog) of endurance that was finally won as we ran into christmas where some (us) aren’t able to play and others, those that could play all weekday every weekday, (you) are able to play.

      I have mixed feelings, a congratulations is in order for the squids and Exodus that were able to play all night and day between EUtz and late AU. At the same time, being able to do that for an entire month of weekdays, well, I’m not sure a conflict like that is something I want to win or be a part of 🙂

  • Stalence

    I see a lot of complaints and excuses from Gal Mil lately. It’s really best summed up as Gal Mil’s (particularly “Old Guard Gal Mil”) lack of resillience and effort being put forth. Especially when the chips are down. You’ve been top dog for so long that you’ve grown entitled, lazy, and bitter. “Old Guard Gal Mil” can’t inspire it’s fair weather pilots to d-plex in Tier 1, it can’t even inspire its members to go down fighting with honor (the final day of Eha litterally passed without so much as a single Gal Mil fight).

    Lets not also forget about the level of hubris you’ve mustered in the past several years… that “No-No” list was really a final fuel on the fire that fuels the Caldari Militia war machine.

    “Old Guard Gal Mil” complains about Citadels but all they do is level the playing field, giving each side equal advantage in re-shipping. Plus their effect shouldn’t have been a surprise after their effectiveness in Aivonen. Of course Gal Mil doesn’t like taking fights without distinct advantages though.

    “Old Guard Gal Mil” complains about Caldari winning the recruitment war (Alphas and otherwise), but does Gal Mil even try? I can’t recall ever seeing a station advert for a Gal Mil group or recruiting anywhere except for a few tweets here and there and Ash on various podcasts (which all arguably don’t reach the largest audience of new players). I can really assure you that Jita “access” is not the silver bullet that attracts and retains pilots. Ask RDRAW what they think of the Jita situation. They arguably have better access to it than any group in Cal Mil.

    Before “Old Guard Gal Mil” even begins complaining about recruitment, they probably first ought to look at retaining their current pilots. I’m starting to lose count of notable Gal Mil pilots that I see flying under other, neutral tickers now.

    “Old Guard Gal Mil” now complains about influx of Caldari characters. They used to revel in an influx of low-SP players to farm for easy kills. I recall very different messages coming from them when TEST and BRAVE were both briefly with Cal Mil. Seemes Gal Mil bitter vets are just bitter now.

    “Old Guard Gal Mil” complain about third-parties in Vlil. It wasn’t too long ago when most third parties like WAFFLES and No Handlebars were attacking Cal Mil in the siege of Aivonen. These things go both ways. Even when a Gal Mil group like RDRAW makes a strategic alliance with a power third-party, “Old Guard Gal Mil” chastises them and even initiates war with them.

    Speaking of that, “Old Guard Gal Mil” has alienated essentially the entire other half of their available PVP pilots (RDRAW) in the warzone. Again before bitching about recruitment, perhaps you could work to mend ties with your militia mates and coordinate counter offenses.

    Salutes to my battle-hardened, bad ass motherfuckers in Cal Mil with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove.

    • These comments..

      That all sounds pretty bitter, even from you. One only has to look at the length Vlill has been held to figure out why some ‘notable pilots’ are no longer in galmill, how long do you expect people to remain interested in FW? 7 years seems to not be the figure for you, so how many years? 10? 15? You are talking about a crop of militia pilots that have taken the WZ twice, evicted all the major squid groups in it at least a half dozen times and fended off several of the Calmill so called “resurgence/tier 3 pushes,” fought major campaigns against the best and largest pirate coalitions in game and been all the way back again

      As to citadels, I do believe you had some interesting comments about them on twitter after Aivonen fell no? Now the shoe is on the other foot all they do is “level the playing field”, please, try and have an opinion that outlasts the pendulum of the conflict. On the topic of Aivonen, “WAFFLES and No Handlebars were attacking Cal Mil in the siege of Aivonen”? Here you do expose yourself as the armchair general, if you actually logged in and fought with your buddies you’d remember WAFFLES was in your fleets and SWEG were true third parties. Better luck next time observing from afar and wallowing in the hard fought victory of your peers.

      Eha fell without a fight? Less time on tweetfleet and more time in game would do your observations wonders. Vlill and Eha sustained nearly a month long assault, Eha less so until the end buts its residents were committed to the Vlill defence for close to a month effectively rendering the two systems a single front, a month being almost 4 times as long as Aivonen or any system siege in the last five years has lasted. You can afford to tip your hat to the vanquished in victory, unless the bile of bitterness from years in the dirt is really too much.

      Anyone with the ability to dotlan can see that the fall of Vlil had nothing to do with T1 doctrines or plex fleets fighting and not plexing. This was a system that went from 0% to 40% every 24 hours for a month so obviously the battlefield was remarkably even. In my opinion Calmill simply outlasted the defenders and overwhelmed them numerically as we headed into Xmas holidays. Late AUTZ and EUTZ were in galmills favor while USTZ was a bit of a wash. Where Calmill did well, and where all of Exodus helped them, was in that small gap between USTZ and AUTZ called the Pacific Ocean. Somehow a swathe of EU squids and Plexodus/Exodus Americans were able to play at 8am and 3am respectively every single weekday for an entire month giving their side a solid 8-10 hours of plexing superiority that would have to be unwound in late AU and EUtz. This formula was repeated for a month until Galmill EUtz had a bad showing two nights in a row and the writing was on the wall.

      While some of what you say is pretty ridiculous to anyone that was actually there fighting on either side. You are correct about a few points, blaming alphas is pretty pathetic, and while relations between RDRAW and Galmill proper arent as bad as you like to think (see Okkamon) there is work to be done in spreading the word to the summer children corps of galmill whats required to defend against a pendulum swing/threatened WZ eviction for all groups.

      All that said and done though, hats off to GMVA and residents of Eha who, while receiving help in dribs and drabs, held off the core of Calmill for an incredible length of time, only really being undone by the Xmas holidays that seemed to hit one side worse than the other. I suspect after such a defence the willpower of the squids to achieve something with this resurgence may be lacking. If in a few months time all the squids managed, with their comeback that was 5 years in the making, is the fall of two home systems and no WZ sweep, I for one will be quietly chuckling.

      • Stalence

        And yes, Old Gal Mil had its glory days, and perhaps I was a bit salty about the continual circle jerk of Gallente success on the forums, podcasts and elsewhere that I’ve had to endure for years – always being the underdog and our team struggling to get numbers in fleets at times. It’s nice that the shoe is on the other foot for the time being.

        And yes, I argued that Citadels have essentially removed the last remaining home-field advantage for defenders. Many Gal and Cal mil alike agree that Citadels have broken core FW mechanics. However, I feel like the time for complaining about them is a bit past though. It’s been since October that their effect was known and its time we’ve all adapted to the current state of affairs.

        I was in EVE Vegas along with a lot of my other Templis bros for the heaviest weekend of fighting in Aivonen. (Great timing on that one btw Frogs). But I also distinctly remember WAFFLES at least coming to your aide on the Citadel on one occasion – on the initial anchoring timer IIRC. And call me an armchair quarterback if you (whoever you are) like but I’ve made my identity known and anyone can access zkillboard to draw their own conclusions for my on-field participation.

        After Vlil fell shortly after downtime, the plexing went to Eha. Eha was plexed up from high 70s to vulnerable and then the IHUB was flipped without so much as a single Gal Mil fight that day. Not saying Eha wasn’t fought over but on it’s final day in Gallente hands it certainly slipped away with a whimper.

        The pendulum will indeed swing again. But I have to revel in it for the moment. For it was only a couple short months ago when the the roles were reversed and your group issued a patronizing “No-No” systems non-aggression pact. The leadership of Old Guard Gal Mil tried to treat Caldari Militia like some some sort of natural game preserve to manage and hunt. The state of affairs today is the result of that hubris.

    • X Gallentius

      Even “Old Guard Gal Mil” must lose a couple real systems every 7 years or so. 😉 It was a great run, and I look forward to seeing how we adjust to the new realities of FW.

      Also, while ‘breaking FW’, citadels (and alphas) have changed the game which has lead to massive numbers of fights. So, in the end it’s all good.

  • Ouso

    Vlil was lost to superior militia-level coordination on the part of CalMil. While citadels helped break a home system, and greater CalMil alpha numbers certainly help push overall contested rates in the WZ, the loss of Vlil is squarely on the collective shoulders of GalMil.

    AFAIK, we (WANGS alliance) were not asked to help until it was too late, if at all, and for our part we didn’t volunteer. The reasons for that are long and complex, but don’t negate the reality that CalMil exhibited superior coordination and intra-militia planning.

    Add in a willingness on the part of CalMil to push during the holidays, and we can rightly chalk this up to CalMil’s strategy and diplomacy, not alphas, Exodus., or citadels. Well played Cals.

  • Perske Pit

    Roy Henry: “Who the fuck is Gian?”

    • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

      Bigger question is who is Roy Henry? I heard he was some sort of gal leader but didn’t see him once. Don’t even know if hes a real character.

      • Roy Henry

        Hi. Who the fuck are you?

        • Ashy

          Tasty

          • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

            Funny how you haven’t conjured up a reply to my comment? The one where you accused me of insulting gmva members which I happily proved wrong…

          • No One

            All I see is that you prefer to be on the winning side. You say you “love most of the people” but then you call them retarded. For me that’s insulting.

          • Hitler 2.0.3 (beta release)

            Where do I call them retarded ? The only one I called a retard was Ashley because she was being one.

          • No One

            Leaving them to go to the other team because you “wanna fly with decent pilots” clearly states you think your previous team have no decent pilots (aka shit). At least your previous team have the balls to curse you in your face.