Imperial EVE


The recent narrative that has bubbled up on reddit is that the Imperium are bad, bad, guys. Sion said some terribly undiplomatic things about reddit, and reddit right now is serving as the clearing house of EVE information. It has resulted in a media war. What I find interesting is the various arguments about the Imperium,, and the state of the game. What is it like for someone to have built Rome in the sandbox?

Roleplaying in an Imperial World

The Imperium has attained a kind of hegemon state. They are the biggest block by far. Their member base makes up roughly half of the 0.0 playerbase. It is not politically feasible at this point to expect everyone else to form a major coalition to fight them. Every single other group in EVE would have to set aside their differences and work seamlessly together to stand a chance. It is a peculiar kind of hegemony, because their influence does not reach all the way across the rather large map. However, it is unassailable in any kind of short time period.

“They see a kind of Roman Empire, and the only competition is provided by petty city states and a few barbaric hordes.”

This is the environment that players of all sorts look to when they evaluate the game. They see a kind of Roman Empire, and the only competition is provided by petty city states and a few barbaric hordes. Contrast this with the Halloween war, which saw a two polar world, a time where it felt like the cold war gone hot. Or to keep with the Roman analogy, the Halloween war was the Punic war. Contrast the current state with times past, where several blocs of seemingly equal potential jockeyed against one another.

The characteristics that define this stage of the game are as follows: In the past, a decent group could hope to rise to the heights of power based on their own merits, but no more. Now they have to have the right friends and the right politics. Battles and wars raged hot. Now the order is highly stratified. Wars are minimal and not a matter of existential threat to the empire. Competition is still fierce, perhaps as tough as it has ever been, but increasingly it comes to politics rather than space lasers. There are places far from the influence of the Imperium, but the political structures formed out there are pale imitations of the order and might of the dominant group.


When people log into the EVE server they become roleplayers in so much as they are setting goals for themselves that do not have benefits beyond the game world. The burning question here can be stated as “Is the Imperium’s existence is good for the game?” When we ask that question, we mean, at least in part, “Is this an environment that people will enjoy roleplaying in?” Would you be happy living as a legionnaire in one of the armies set to guard the border? Would you find thrills in serving as a senator of the empire? Would you thrive in the political intrigue near the emperor’s inner circle? Would you enjoy glory as a gladiator entertaining the public? Could you conquer far territories as a “viceroy”? How would you react to the challenge of being a Germanic tribesman at the edge of the empire? Would you ride with the barbarian hordes to sack cities and crush lesser civilizations? Would you bring your unwashed masses to the very gates of the empire to raid across their borders?

This may seem a little silly, but this is not a joke. EVE is a sandbox. There is not one right way for the sand to be arranged in the box. As far as I am concerned, the glory days of the Roman Empire are a fine thing to emulate. The political drama is as good as ever. Gobbins’ ruse cruise and Endie’s leaks are perfect examples. Combat is different, but it still happens constantly. The only problem would be if stagnation won out and nothing ever changed, but that is far from the case.


Imperium members regularly taunt outsiders that they should all form up and attack the empire. Outsiders tell Imperium members that they should disband to get ‘content.’ Both groups talk past each other, demanding action from the other party that is not in that party’s own best interests.

Let me unpack this a little bit. Imperium members would love nothing more than watching a rag-tag selection of idiots file onto a field somewhere and raise a banner against the Imperium. Preferably the more idiots the better, and all in one place with a fat target on their back. Then the Imperial media would sound off, “THERE ARE ENEMIES AT THE GATE.” The Imperium would see a mass rise in participation and the machinery of war would click into place. There would be a series of spectacular battles. In the end, the Band of Boneheads would lay strewn about broken and trampled underfoot. Imperium members would look at the killmails in satisfaction and be ready to happily AFK a few months having proven their EVE supremacy.

“…feeding them exactly what they wanted to believe.”

One of the reasons that the Imperium fell so badly for Gobbins’ ruse cruise was that he was feeding them exactly what they wanted to believe.

On the other hand, outsiders would love nothing more than to watch the Imperium implode. The Imperium has a nasty habit of trampling these guys underfoot. They get a little salty after they get stomped on enough. These outsiders craft a narrative that the Imperium is a content vacuum. They claim that Imperium members will only get good content by fighting each other. This totally ignores the fact that a small contingent of the Imperium can sally forth to a distant land and reap content while retaining all the benefits of membership of the behemoth.


A variation on this is something like, “Let’s you and him fight.” Outsiders with no stake in either group clamor for Pandemic Legion to take on the Imperium. Outsiders would love to see the two most powerful groups at each other’s throat. They would love to see both groups sweat blood and tears and ISK in a struggle. They would love to see both groups weakened by the fight, or for one group to wipe out the other. Whichever group was broken would leave a vacuum for the smaller guys to expand.

In all likelihood there will not be a Band of Boneheads. The effort is too great and the “rewards” are terrible. The barbarians at the imperial gates will come on their own for their own reasons. And the Imperium will not disband, it will just send out more expeditionary forces. Likewise, you are unlikely to see Pandemic Legion and the Imperium engaged in a head to head matchup on a fair battlefield. The leadership from both groups have clear lines of communication, recognize their own best interests, and have a history of cooperation. That does not mean that PL is in bed with the Imperium. I would expect either group to swoop in to stab the other in the back with a killing blow if there was a hint of weakness. But so long as there is no blood in the water…

The Decadence of the Imperium

The seat of power in the Emperium comes with the perk of monetization. It’s good to be the king. Now this is fine under the EULA, but people wonder if it is ethical or not. My stand is that people are voluntarily choosing to donate to the Mittani’s streams, projects, and so on. They are not getting ISK for supporting him. They are paying for his efforts to provide entertainment. This is totally legit. It is good for EVE. It is good for the community, even when it badmouths the community, because it draws in attention.

What is actually more amusing is the Rome analogy. There are only so many people who can sit in the inner circle and draw a salary. Unseating Mittani from his central position would be very hard, but even now the inner circle sees coups and upsets. Lesser figures come and go. All the juicy drama among the “shareholders” sits in for the Roman corruption. Rome fell in large part because generals came back from the frontier with their armies and made themselves emperors. Every time this happened it weakened the defenses of the empire. Every time there is a falling out among the sharholders of and some people get kicked off the bus, it weakens the cohesion of the Imperium. Who knows? If the right person gets angry enough we may get to pull out the fiddles.

*An error that stated the Peloponnesian war instead of the Punic war has been corrected.

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Mukk Barovian

Mukk is a long time skirmish FC with a penchant for overpropping his ships.

  • Talvorian Dex

    The difference, of course, between any video game empire and a real empire is that it IS a video game. The purpose of a video game is experience/enjoyment/content. Players can choose to simply stop playing Eve. They can’t in a real empire.

    That has huge consequences. Real empires seek equilibrium, and stability; in a video game, we WANT chaos, excitement, and action. The very thing that is lauded in the real world kills empires in a video game.

    • Messiah Complex

      “The very thing that is lauded in the real world kills empires in a video game.”

      I’ve seen no evidence of that.

      • Talvorian Dex

        People don’t leave the Imperium en masse when content is rich, varied, and frequent. Boredom is the enemy of any organization. Right now, the safety of the big blue blob is hampering leadership’s ability to provide sufficient exciting content to keep all of its members happy. Safety = boredom = unsubbing/leaving.

        • Nyvis

          You can be a member of a coalition and not be active at the moment. The day the coalition is threatened (and content promised), people come back. Boredom doesn’t kill empires long term.

          • Rob Kaichin

            Your point depends on something that the author of the article, and the majority of Eve players, recognise as unlikely to happen.

            Find me 20 thousand players with vast amounts of free time, isk and experience, and then we’ll have a ballgame.

          • Talvorian Dex

            In a game built upon daily experiences, yeah, it does. While you’re away from the game, more and more people who actually make things happen are leaving for more content-rich environments. The coalition you idled in is no longer the same coalition you come back to, and that’s directly because players like you elected to be inactive for so long that the players who remained got fed up and left.

    • Valtyr Farshield

      Talvorian makes a good point.

    • JZ909

      I’m not really completely convinced of that. I’m sure the leaders of the Imperium want equilibrium and stability; there is real money involved and their leader’s entire paycheck depends on it. They want content for the masses, but they don’t want an existance-threatening conflict.

      Is this really so different than a stable Roman empire entertaining the masses with gladiator pits? I would argue that all of the recent Imperium “wars” have been carefully crafted entertainment, designed to be unlikely to escalate into anything serious.

      Take the war against CVA as an example. The Imperium was very careful to make sure everyone knew that they had no intention of evicting CVA from Providence. An eviction would have been viewed very differently than organized sov-trolling, and could have caused some great alliance to form to deal with an empire that became too large, or internal fracturing over destroying one of Eve’s most intetesting organizations.

  • ahobowithwifi

    “To keep with the Roman analogy, the Halloween war was the Peloponnesian war”. Peloponnesian War was Athenian League vs Spartans, not Romans.

    If you were to continue the Roman analogy, the better comparison would be the 1st and 2nd Punic Wars (fighting Carthage). 3rd doesnt count because it was just a delayed curbstomping

    Other than that, a nice review of why the Imperium is basically unassailable at the moment.

  • AFK

    In short, the average CFC shmoe wanted to believe something actually interesting was about to happen in EVE online, but the joke was on them, it was only EVE online *pretending* to be an interesting game.

    What a ruse! A real laugh riot…..

    This shit game just needs to die a death.

  • Rob Kaichin

    Please, could you get actual historians to help you with your analogies.

    Sitting hear reading about the Peloponnesion war, talking about ‘Rome’, just makes me cringe.

    • AkrasjelLanate

      I know.

    • Niden

      This has been changed.

      • Rob Kaichin

        Cheers, I fixed my spelling mistake too! 😀

    • Andrew Metzger

      Seems a little unreasonable to expect, honestly.

      • Rob Kaichin

        Well, I don’t know. A cursory Google would’ve saved them.

  • AkrasjelLanate

    If they are the Imperial Rome then i’m waiting for the Year of the Four Emperors

    • ahobowithwifi

      Pfft, go big – the Crisis of the Third Century saw 26 (!) Recognized Emperors in like 30 years, with literally dozens more trying to usurp them and either not succeeding or only partially succeeding.

      It’s be like if every CEO in the Imperium suddenly tried to kill Mittens, with all of their subordinates trying to do the same thing to them. I’d watch that

  • Markonius Porkbutte

    As an Imperial representative on this discussion board I would like to thank the members of the Pandemic Legion for being the best client state in the galaxy. Since no one else can really afford your services, I hope you don’t mind working for us for many years to come.

    • GrouchyOldGamer

      Are you the Viceroy of the CZ comments section?

      • Niden

        No, I think you are Grouchy 🙂

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    It is interesting that the CFC has essentially muted the null sov game. The barrier to entry for any coalition what would want to establish itself as a null sec power is now so high to make it a fruitless endeavour.

    It presents two interesting consequences:

    1. creating continual content for 40k characters without any obvious enemies is challenging.
    2. It has driven people into areas like NPC null and low sec driving up content in that space.

    Low sec in particular seems to be entering a golden age – I hope CCP are noting this and going to give it some love.

    If people really wanted to kill the CFC they’ll leave it alone in the North – but like someone with a sore tooth they can’t help but poke it.

  • Neindochoh

    “To keep with the Roman analogy, the Halloween war was the Peloponnesian war”

    All hail to the US education system …

    • GrouchyOldGamer

      My 13 year old son does classics at school. When I ask him what he did in class he always says ‘learnt about the Romans’ ffs

  • Joe

    When Rome was built it was involved wars. Legions were sent out and areas were conquered. That really has little to do with how the imperium was built.

    Rome actually dominated places and took them over even if people didn’t want to be part of Rome. Imperium does none of that. Everyone in the imperium pretty much always wanted to be part of it. Rome was not so democratic for the territories they ruled.
    If the viceroy system actually works then I think the Rome analogy will work. Otherwise I think it is quite off base.

  • Inzek

    Is there any (small) group with real intention of threatening the CFC?

  • Saratje

    When an organization grows too large for too long, sooner or later those within than organization with sufficient power to be consider important but too little power to truly make the calls, grow ambitious and bored. They carve their own piece out of the whole to turn the status quo exciting again, leaving the organizational structure riddled with holes for anyone opportunistic enough to tear off a reasonable chunk of their own. It’s never if, just always when.

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