Goon Watching

 

If you lean towards the academic and haven’t yet looked into the University of Minnesota Press’ “Internet Spaceships are Serious Business”, I suggest you pick up a copy and have a read.

Similar to most essay compilations, “Internet Spaceships” presents a mixed bag from the wonderful (Nick Webber’s “EVE Online as History”) to the strange (William Sims Bainbridge’s “Virtual Interstellar Travel”). Like most diligent EVE examinations the book also gets around to talking about goons. “Internet Spaceships’” goon knot resides in chapters 8, 9, 10 and 11. Chapters 8 and 11 are by academics writing about goons while chapters 9 and 10 are authored by former goon Endie and current goon The Mittani. With only 16 chapters in the book goon watching takes up a full quarter of the manuscript. As a long time EVE player, I must say this feels typical. If nothing else goons have a knack of drawing attention.

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“Internet Spaceships” was published in March of 2016 meaning the essays were conceived and written well before that. Richard Page’s “We Play Something Awful” (the very essay I’ll be launching off of) lists no personal interviews after 2014 and its bibliography cites nothing later than 2013. Meanwhile EVE Online and the goons that reside there haven’t been static. Much can and has changed in the past three or four years. I’m uncertain whether the Something Awful forums remain a big thing to EVE goons nor am I aware if EVE goons continue to use the term ‘pubbie’. Still, Page’s essay presumes both so here we are.

Pubbies

Expanding on previous academic examinations of emergence (‘emergence’ comes from complex systems theory and describes behavior within complex systems that cannot be predicted by the structure of the system or individual actions), Richard Page explores “an example of emergent play… that did not ‘emerge’ from the interaction of independent people with[in] the game system but rather was imposed on the game from the outside by a preexisting external culture” (p101). Page finds his expansionary example watching the Something Awful comedy website based goons play EVE.

EVE goons, he explains, are insular, authoritarian assholes. “Goons” he reports, “define their uniqueness by their difference. Players who are not goons are ‘pubbies’ and roundly disparaged” (p109). “Among goons in EVE,” Page continues, “being an asshole to pubbies is encouraged whereas internal drama is crushed from above” (p109). “[F]or goons,” Page explains, “being an asshole means refusing to take anything seriously and subverting the systems that other people take seriously” (p109). “Burn Jita” concludes Page, “is more than emergent behavior between players and games, it is the result of a particular group of players attempting to enact their own [subversive] project onto the systems of EVE. Burn Jita occurs because [goons] see themselves as separate from pubbies, and because they treat constructed systems like assholes. This makes Burn Jita a perfect example of how the [external] goon project is enacted” (p112).

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If, like far too many empire players, you genuinely believe highsec is supposed to be safe (don’t believe this, you really shouldn’t believe this), then Burn Jita is indeed one giant assholish goon game subverting project rendering Page’s observation directly on point. To achieve subversions like this goons declare a stark us/them separation enthusiastically cooperating ingroup while equally enthusiastically disparaging and maltreating the outgroup. I suppose it might be possible to subvert EVE’s mechanics via unanticipatable outgroup assistance but that’s not very assholish and thus not the goon way. With little doubt, goon’s asshole approach has worked spectacularly well to date. Goonswarm Federation recently reached its millionth kill and that’s no small feat.

Rites of Passage

Tucked away in Page’s essay is a quick examination of goon’s long history with recruitment scams. As he explains, “[Goons] have set up dedicated forums and channels for scamming, including a fake web page to farm application programming interface[s] (APIs). ‘Newbees’ [‘Newbees’? – damn that’s clever] are encouraged to make fast money by running recruitment scams. Many players who want to join goon corps are not aware that membership is limited to those who are already members of the SA forums. Other marks are players who want to move from Empire space to null-sec. Goons are serious about scamming and serious about getting new players in on the action” (p109).

Page mentions recruitment scams as example of goons’ us versus them mentality pointing out that goons are told not to scam allies. While I don’t disagree with this, I do think it odd that Page both declares that goons take nothing seriously while, at the very same time, stipulating that they take scamming seriously. He spouts this seeming contradiction not only in the same essay but on that essay’s very same page. What I believe he overlooks is a different though connected function behind goons’ institutionalized scamming practices beyond simply outgrouping somebody. Encouraging newbees to jump onboard the scam train early via dedicated forums, channels and premade fake web pages also functions as a rite of passage. When successful, recruitment scamming can be a brutal instance of pubbie maltreatment thereby providing newbees initiation into EVE goon’s particular brand of assholishness.

A Pubbie Glitch

What happens if a goon leaves the fold? If I understand correctly, they become pubbies and thus must be roundly disparaged. From my 1,000 AU perspective — I’m not a goon meaning I have no special access to their internal communications — this does seem very much the case.

Goons, or at least high-level goons, rarely depart on good terms. When “Internet Spaceship” contributor Endie packed up and left things got a little ugly. When former CEO Darius JOHNSON stepped away, things got unfriendly. When Karttoon, an even earlier CEO departed (skewering goons on the way out), our “We Play Something Awful” author quotes SA poster Straker delivering the ultimate insult, “Karttoon as you know him isn’t even a J4G [Join 4 Guild], he’s a straight up pubbie. The real Karttoon joined SA when we played Travian together, just to get into our Travian alliance. He’s an OK guy. He later gave someone else in our non-SA, non-EVE clan his SA + EVE accounts. I don’t think any goons actually knew the original owner when he played EVE” (p106). It’s difficult to discern if Straker speaks truth but that’s not really the point. Rather, slandering Karttoon as a closet pubbie is the point.

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Departing on unfriendly terms isn’t unique to EVE goons. It happens throughout EVE. That said, goon’s commitment to disparage, mock and maltreat pubbies well-nigh guarantees that former goons will exit on bad terms. In the long run, as players age and evolve, this can prove quite restrictive both for former goons and current goons who can’t remain friendly with departing members.

Scaling Up

At EVE Vegas 2015 goons’ The Mittani.com brought author Jeff Edwards along to hawk their Kickstarter funded book “The Fountain War”. Given that Andrew Groen was also at 2015’s EVE Vegas hawking his well in process Kickstarter funded book “Empires of EVE”, Jeff Edward’s goon supported appearance struck me terribly cheeky. Andrew Groen’s work had already garnered much support, was approaching completion and now goons were onsite stealing his thunder. Goons, it appeared, were scaling up from assholing players in game to assholing authors out of game.

Then I saw the goon Kickstarter. $150,000? “Sweet Jesus!” I thought, “That’s a hell of a recruitment scam. One has to admire that scale of moxie.”

Things Get Odd

At this juncture I believe it important to reiterate that I am not a goon. Accordingly, I have no special access to internal goon communication or thinking. Rather, I’m a goon watching pubbie examining their public persona. With that restated, it’s worth exploring why goon’s “The Fountain War,” despite very possibly being a good idea, dropped dead-born at my doorstep. The thing is history matters. After several years of goon watching I’d come to understand that goons don’t do things for me, they do things to me. Unpleasant, assholish things. Consequently, my interpretation of “The Fountain War” proposal was thoroughly laced with suspicion from the very start. “Goons are sticking it to pubbie Andrew Groen.” “Goons are once again attempting to scam me and the other pubbies.” It simply never occurred to me that “The Fountain War” was anything other than another elaborate attempt to crotch kick somebody because crotch kicking is what assholes do.

Fountain War

Accordingly, I was genuinely surprised when, in a histrionic bit of pique, Sion Kumitomo declared bygones and began scolding me about what to do with the bad blood goons had spent years sowing and just “Shake It Off”. “Treating a professional author with mean-spirited hate,” Sion explained, “is a great way to ensure that EVE never, ever, gets a high caliber author. No one will want to deal with ‘that toxic EVE community.’ And authors talk about their ongoing projects, so when his writer buddies ask him what happened, what sorts of stuff do you want Jeff to say? Is that actually the goal, to drive him and anyone else from the outside off?”

Well goon Sion, not being able to crawl into Jeff Edward’s brain, I can’t speak to how your author saw things nor to what he might say about what he saw but I do want to emphasize that he was *your* author — Jeff Edwards didn’t organize “The Fountain War” Kickstarter, you did, he didn’t publicize that Kickstarter, you did and, as best I can tell, all money collected wouldn’t be going directly to Jeff Edwards but rather to your entity: The Mittani Media. Interestingly however, I am confident that whatever your author has to say, it’s very probably extraordinarily different from what fellow professional author (and pubbie beloved) Andrew Groen has to say. It’s simply not my fault that you tainted your author with your history so don’t lay your dead-born Kickstarter at my doorstep.

::ahem::

I may well be veering closely to ‘grr goons’ here. I’m certainly annoyed. Still, having a goon instruct me on the importance of being polite was odd. Very, very odd.

Into the Bizarre

Curiously, goon Sion Kumitomo wasn’t done scolding. But a couple weeks later he penned “Community Matters” declaring participants of the stunningly successful r/eve discussion forum site not a genuine community unlike his Something Awful forum based Goonswarm. “Community Matters” is not only a bizarre piece of prestidigitation, but to this admittedly poorly informed author, also a near classic piece of scapegoating displacement where Sion tosses the shortcomings of his own community’s origin and history onto a hated other. I know not what motivated Sion to write this “I know you aren’t but what am I?” piece but I will comment that, not being able to make heads or tails out of how it was supposed to improve his situation, I’m left to psychoanalyze its origins.

The truly crazy part is that this type of scolding is the very sort of thing that could galvanize a discussion group into a genuine community hell bent on cooperatively pursuing the common goal of punishing the scolder and amazingly, as the Casino’s World War Bee played out, that’s near precisely what happened. Though no large conflict generates out of a single cause, I think it appropriate to view the entire imbroglio generated out of “The Fountain War” an important piece of the puzzle.

“Insular, authoritarian asshole” has its limitations.

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Dénouement

“The Fountain War” Kickstarter flopped bringing in only $39,016, a mere 26% of its $150,000 goal.

“The Empires of EVE” Kickstarter flourished bringing in $95,729, a full 765% of its $12,500 goal. Andrew Groen’s book is complete, available and a very good read. I recommend it.

The Mittani.com was rebranded as Imperium News. Sion Kumitomo no longer writes for them.

The Casino’s World War Bee booted the goons and their allies out of the North.

A diminished Goonswarm/Imperium moved south.

Two implacable foes, Test Alliance Please Ignore and Circle of Two eventually followed them there moving in just down the block and war is once again afoot.

I still don’t know if Something Awful is an important goon thing, if goons still encourage newbee recruitment scamming nor if the epithet ‘pubbie’ remains stylish.

CCP eventually declared casinos against the EULA.

EVE continues.

I watch and write.

 

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Tags: DireNecessity, goons, goonswarm, gsf

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DireNecessity

A soloish long-term casual player since 2009, sporting a troubling history of preying on the good people of highsec, these days DireNecessity enjoys the gentle pleasures like manufacturing, grandbabies and formal dining.

  • Kinis Deren

    Sion literally became the biggest ‘pubbie’ carebear in EVE. It was for this reason he was universally mocked.

  • Mark Artreides

    Goons never allowed newbee scamming though.

    • DireNecessity

      Well of course they didn’t scam newbees – newbees have joined the ranks of the chosen. They scammed pubbies.

      • Fearlesslittletoaster

        There was, and is, an active catch and release policy to truly new players. Even the most sociopathic Goons want Eve to continue, and running off the new folks makes that not happen.

  • Vertigoe

    Another grr goon article rehashing old stuff, might as well be Seraph. He has written the same article many times.

    • DireNecessity

      So . . . bygones?

      • Vertigoe

        Doesnt matter to me. You wrote an article about how you dont like goons, tomorrow will be someone else. Thanks for the free publicity.

        • Seraph IX Basarab

          cry more

          • Vertigoe

            I can’t I am too busy laughing at you.

          • Seraph IX Basarab

            I’m sure…probably like this:

            http://i.imgur.com/E3RONtp.gif

          • Vertigoe

            took you a long time to find that one, I was giving up you wouldn’t respond. But you can never help yourself, clock is ticking.

          • DireNecessity

            Would you two stop slap fighting on my comment thread. Jesus kids, get a room.

          • Vertigoe

            Only if he is paying.

  • A.C. Slater-Kinney

    this was hilariously inaccurate – thanks for the time sink.

  • Sigh

    The worst thing one can do is give goons attention. Ignore them, simply pretend they dont exist, don’t give them tears, don’t give them the time of day. Assholes will be assholes, we don’t have to acknowledge the assholelery.

    • Fearlesslittletoaster

      What do you do when they burn all your stuff?

      • Thinking

        When was the last time they did that

  • Resnar

    “CCP eventually declared casinos against the EULA.

    EVE continues.

    I watch and write.”

    Well some month ago you guy’s was crying about that

    • Cosmo

      Would just like to mention that there is no ‘you guys’. CZ is a conglomerate of different people, all with different opinions. If i had a well written and interesting article that’d happen to be pro-goon in my queue, you can be sure it’ll get published. On that note, we do take submissions, just follow the Write for CZ tab at the top.

      • Guest 2.0

        Generally, like minded people tend to congregate together. The very idea that it would require an outsider’s submission for an article that is pro-goons to be published just supports that. Own the bias, it would make the whole site more credible. At least the Imperium site openly shows where it’s backers come from.

        • The Grid

          TMCs progression was hilarious to watch. Starting boldly proclaiming journalistic integrity and all that, then moving to slight leanings, later to obvious bias and finally to dissociating completely during WWB. With reduced influence you can’t fabricate narrative anymore, so a rebrand and refocus to the internal audience was necessary.

          • Guest 3.0

            Your story of events is nice, but I don’t think it’s completely accurate. My guess is the rebrand is/was an effort to change the scope of the site to make it credible on a broader level. Similarly to changing from the CFC to the Imperium, it’s an effort to make it easier for mainstream media to pick up without having to censor themselves. Think of it as a teenager deciding to no longer go by their childhood nickname and insist on using a proper name instead.

          • The Grid

            I don’t disagree with your statement, although the scope of TMC was already beyond EvE. There were also technical reasons for the switch (moving from Drupal to WordPress). And I think it was important to them to stop using the name Mittani, for all the baggage that is attached to it.
            To support my previous post, here is TMCs original mission statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20120817012117/http://themittani.com/about compare that to what they actually did during their last year or so.

        • Cosmo

          The process for established writers is the same as for outside submissions.

          Just consider that we would publish a progoon piece, but you wouldn’t see an antigoon piece on INN.

          • Vertigoe

            We all know that isnt true. Matterall from NC. is at the highest levels of INN and I am betting if you wrote an article worth publishing he would and has.

          • Cosmo

            Ok, i’ll make some arrangements.

          • Vertigoe

            I await the article

  • Bill Bones

    Goons? Who cares about the Goons? They’re nothing without EVE, and EVE is self-centered to the point of irrelevance. Goons could be gone tomorrow, EVE would continue; EVE could be gone tomorrow, videogames would continue completely unaffected.

    If EVE was a film star, it would be Pia Zadora.

  • Guest 2.0

    So, what I get from this article is “Grr Goons”, some gloating over a kickstarter that happened months ago, and some images that have absolutely zero relevance with the article at all. How is this news?

  • Seraph IX Basarab

    Why is it that when Goons shit on people it’s all “haha show me on the doll where u got raped. haha get fucked pubbie” but when people shit on Goons they all cry “wah wah wah you’re all grr goons omg!”

    There’s only one justification you ever need in Eve: Cause fuck you that’s why.

    • Guest 2.0

      Hahaha, show us on the doll where Eve raped you. Get fucked pubbie.

      • Fearlesslittletoaster

        Now, see, this is neither creative, funny, nor even very effective trolling of Serpah up there. It adds nothing to the comments. It is a bad post. You should be ashamed. Do you use the terms ‘toon’ and ‘iskies’ commonly?

        • Guest 2.0

          I thought it was just as creative and funny as Seraph’s comment. I aimed to add just as much to the conversation as he did, zero.

          • Fearlesslittletoaster

            And thus do you prove that you fail to understand the true nature of goodposts. Bad posts do not justify shitting up the internet. Shitting up the internet is a goal in it’s own right, to be embraced or scorned, but never to be done only as reaction to anther’s bad posting.

            I pronounce you pubbie and heretic. If you do have access to the Goonfleet forums please send Deadtear a picture of your balls immediately. This will ‘redeem’ you.

          • Guest 3.0

            Ah Deadtear, if I had known this was your alias I would have responded differently. I AM on Goonfleet forums, but I don’t care for your posts there either. As such I feel vindicated and even more pleased at myself for ‘bad posting’ well enough to get you to respond. Thank you for the encouragement and the level up.

          • Fearlesslittletoaster

            Alas I am not the light of posting, grace of the forums. I am but the least of his disciples, hardly worthy to read his words of wisdom and poetry, entwined into a sublime dance of revelation.

            That being said, not a bad post. If you are the guy from above, keep it up. it’s a witty response, and alludes to thought. May be some hope for you yet. Still, send a picture of your balls to The Mittani just in case.

  • Easy Esky

    The plethora of excuses for loss in WWB. Then they got one right. Well even a broken analogue clock will get the time right at least twice a day.

  • Kyalla Ahashion

    You’ve got to make a very memorable exit or leave a huge void for your passing to be noticed in an alliance of 22000. When people leave on good terms, and even a lot of the people who leave on bad terms, they just basically disappear. They aren’t part of our community anymore, their name rarely if ever comes up, and most people quickly forget they ever existed. Only the Reddit meltdowns and drama bombs actually get attention, and they are very much the outliers.

    Goons have been cast as evil outsiders since the very beginning of their time in EVE Online, when they refused to bend the knee to Band of Brothers. The alliance didn’t start out with a purpose of shitting on everyone else in the game, but, being the community of professional internet trolls that we are, we felt like we needed to uphold the image we were cast in, and the philosophy of fun at the exclusion or expensive of everyone else was born

    I think we first picked this philosophy up from the Russians, honestly, but it’s a powerful one, because the Russians showed us that the only way to win a virtual war is to destroy your enemies will to fight. Given time, and will to fight, resources in EVE are effectively unlimited. It’s only at the supercapital level that loses even start to become meaningful, but morale…. that’s far harder to rebuild, and far harder to protect.

    Fast forward through several wars, 2 or 3 disbandings of the alliance, and the complete loss of our space and subsequent claiming of Delve later, and we’re still here, and still strong. We kept morale mostly intact, we kept our community structures in place – remember we have a huge out of game community, and we had the discipline not to waste our sypercapital forces in a “decisive battle” in which the entire rest of the game was waiting for us to commit suicide.

    We’re not in the business of e-honor or “gudfights” or “content”. We’re in the business of having as much fun for ourselves as possible without creating any for our enemies and would be enemies. We’ve learned the hard way that letting groups like PL have “fun” engaging you is like blood in the water. Once you give them the tiniest little bit of it, they are worked up into a frenzy for more and won’t stop trying to feed.

    Sorry if we don’t play the game by your rules, either get over it, or expect to have as miserable of a time as possible fighting us. We really don’t care, but we’re going to keep playing the game our way.

    • DireNecessity

      While I can’t speak to the accuracy of it, this is a cogent comment since it directly engages with Page’s “Something Awful” essay. Page claims that goons brought their assholishness to EVE. You seem to be claiming that EVE turned goons into assholes. Quoting you, “The alliance didn’t start out with a purpose of shitting on everyone else in the game, but, being the community of professional internet trolls that we are, we felt like we needed to uphold the image we were cast in, and the philosophy of fun at the exclusion or expensive of everyone else was born.”

      I wonder, however, if the cause to effect direction you’re asserting isn’t just so much mumbo jumbo. Seems to me being a professional internet troll downright requires shitting on people right from the get go. That’s kinda what trolling is.

      That said, EVE is an extraordinary place to be assholish. If it wasn’t such a course place, I don’t suspect I’d be as enduringly intrigued with it as I am. I don’t suspect goons would be either.

      Sometimes I think you goons are a hoot. Sometimes you goons get under my skin. EVE is complicated.

      • Kyalla Ahashion

        I’m not claiming the EVE community made us assholes. I’m claiming the EVE community made us significantly more bitter and more motivated assholes.

        I think it gave us the resolve not just to ignore the “rules” of the EVE community, but to actively lash out against those “rules” and the people who play by them.

      • Kyalla Ahashion

        Also, without the pressure of the conflict with Band of Brothers, Goons would not have allied with the Russians early in their existence, if ever. Remember that this is where we learned to weaponize boredom, and this is where we learned that the way to defeat an enemy is not to break their ships, but to break their will to even log in to the game.

        These have become standard Goon strategy in any major conflict, we think of these things in terms of morale first, because it’s morale alone that ultimately determines when an enemy stops fighting.

      • pervertparade

        > I wonder, however, if the cause to effect direction you’re asserting isn’t just so much mumbo jumbo.

        In the early days, goons were led by Remedy. He was a staunch libertarian guy and he hoped to use EVE as a demonstration of his political philosophy. He sought to claim nullsec space and then setup a minarchist/agorist paradise. In modern terms, it might fit somewhere between the NETC citadels, freeports, and the NRDS border policy of Providence. He wanted to prove that the insular alliance-held territories were an example of outmoded thinking. He felt that people had jumped into this new game and then created traditional “guilds” without really considering the possibilities offered by the sandbox.

        Of course the project failed. But ask yourself: why would Remedy even *consider* this sort of venture if Goonfleet’s guiding ethos was “let’s ruin the game for all outsiders and make everyone else miserable”? How could he hope to build a commercial empire if his alliance was already notorious for scamming, backstabbing, bluefucking, failing to defend its assets, etc?

    • Easy Esky

      “and we had the discipline not to waste our supercapital forces in a “decisive battle” in which the entire rest of the game was waiting for us to commit suicide.”

      At the same time completely surrendering Null Sec’s vaulted claim that Null Sec is primary draw-card that gets Eve Online noticed by the wider gaming community. 6VDT, B-R5RB and Asakai – does anybody really care (any more) about the winners or losers of these battles? Or is it more important that they were actually possible at all (owing to their scope/scale), and attracted new blood into the game?

      “Given time, and will to fight, resources in EVE are effectively unlimited.” and “Fast forward through several wars, 2 or 3 disbandings of the alliance, and the complete loss of our space and subsequent claiming of Delve later, and we’re still here, and still strong.”

      So then what difference would it have made to actually commit to the conflict? Instead the game as a whole is denied an opportunity.

      So the next time there is a primary argument that Null-Sec deserves CCP Developer time/resources. My small voice will be saying no, pointing to WWB. CCP, you gave them tools which are not used. Stop wasting your time, on those more vested in EvePolitik, Forums and Website conflict. The rest of the game is happy with actually playing within the sand in the box.

    • Bozo

      “We’re in the business of having as much fun for ourselves as possible
      without creating any for our enemies and would be enemies. ”

      In other words, you are toxic to the community as a whole. And no, this is neither a Grr Goons comment, nor am I even implying that you might be the only ones. But if you follow that reasoning of trying to hoard all the fun ganking non-Goons, it can only have two outcomes: either the rest of the game gang up on the Goons until they have no fun (cue: Saranen, which by your own admission was only fun when The Mittani propagandized about it at the time), or the Goons get successful and the rest of the game has either joined you or is cowered to impotence. In the former case, you lose. In the latter case, you kill the game. Which is pretty much what happened beween B-R and Phoebe.

      “We really don’t care, but we’re going to keep playing the game our way.”

      That’s the great thing about this game, how many people can play it differently. I wish you the best of luck, though I also hope you finally die in a fire when you inevitably try to resurrect a coalition spanning half the galaxy.

      Farm safe

  • Naice Rucima

    Yes, TEST did follow us down south. Then we kicked their ass and they went away. Now they’re with CO2, beaten from the north by NCPL, and everyone is trying to make this as another war on goons. It isn’t. They’re attacking Stainwagon, and as powerful as the Imperium is, Fozziesov don’t let us defend allies territory like Dominion sov did. The Winter War is over and Stainwagon went away, because that’s what they do. This is no war against Goonswarm, because CO2 and TEST can’t afford to go at war directly against us.

  • Eli

    Instinctively, Goons are anti-pubbie. Pubbies think differently, they act differently. They are uncultured, uncouth and are for all intents and purposes not that intelligent. However, every so often a pubbie shows that they might be intelligent enough or streetwise enough to become non-pubbie with Re-education, those are the ones we genuinely recruit. Goonswarm economy is probably not too different to France as it currently is if one had to guess. Socialist in nature but still following a market model at present (but where isk is distributed so plentifully that there are very few space poor goons after they’ve been about long enough). Newbees get thrown millions of isk on their first day (Goon showered with the stuff just because we can) and most people want for nothing or at the very least, very little. We look after our own and have adopted a kind of Hivemind and those bees learn to make honey (isk with tried and tested methods). It is why we’re the single richest alliance in the game, without casino’s to have to do it. It started out as a libertarian project and ended up becoming much more like a socialist one.

    On the social side, which the author tries to address, its not that we are intently out to kill everyone else. We are just a very protective lot of our own space, namely Delve and have a Not Blue Shoot it policy. Yes, we scam, yes we gank freighters but mind you, many of those are enemy freighters designed to hurt us (carrying enemy shipments). Many of our schemes and attempts to ‘ruin your game’ are actually well targeted and aimed at ruining the game of our enemies (they serve a purpose). I feel people forget that we are at war and in war, you try to sink the enemies ships and disrupt their supply lines in anyway you can. You can think of our hisec schemes in much the same way as the French resistance during the second world war. We sabotage the enemy, we rob banks to pay for our own side’s war efforts, we pass intel back to our allies, we smuggle goods out to our own side. We deny the enemy the chance to restock and resupply. Not everyone is sympathetic to these acts of bravery and so pubbies will give us the grr goons treatment. The object is not to disrupt pubbie life, it is to disrupt the enemy’s life and if that means a pubbie freighter pilot dies for carrying enemy goods, it is just the way it is.

    Burn Jita is a pure ‘fuck pubbie’ disruption though, but it serves a war purpose once again for the Revolution. You’ll find most things we do, whilst outlawish in nature, serves a distinct strategic purpose for a cause. And to those that think we should ‘obey the laws’ to them i saw, fuck your pubbie laws! Viva la Revolution!