CSM8: December Interview


Once again, it’s that special time of the month where I sit down with CSM8 to discuss the topics of the day. Whether it’s the busy holiday season or the drama surrounding CSM8 at the moment (I’ll let you guess), we only managed to grab one member of the Council this month but never fear capsuleer – it’s a good ‘un. None other than role-player and blogger extraordinaire, Mike Azariah.

You’ll be shocked to hear that there is one main topic of conversation dominating proceedings this episode. I ask some very pointed questions to Mike and he does a great job answering them. I think you will all enjoy this one…

CSM8_ December Interview.mp3

1946611318_1024You can drop me an email at xander<at>crossingzebras.com or on twitter if you have any questions you want to ask before the next interview.

Fly safe,


Tags: csm, csm8, mike azariah

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Xander Phoena

The good looking, funny, intelligent member of the team, Xander set up Crossing Zebras with Jeg in April 2012 mainly because he was talking too much about Eve on his other podcast. Playing the game for almost five years, Xander still has absolutely zero clue about how to actually play Eve but somehow still manages to talk a good game.

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    The winter minutes should be done in the style of a panto.

    • Oh no they shouldn’t!

      • Chief

        Oh yes they should!

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    Sorry, but the suggestion that CCP not applying the required effort to get these minutes out promptly doesn’t speak to how they view their relationship with the CSM is bollocks. If they cared about it they’d damn well do it.

    The question someone needs to ask what is on the community team’s plate that is more important that the only deliverable they are responsible for with the community representative body.

    To hear CSM reps say they aren’t pissed off because it’s no big deal really sums how fucking passive they’ve been.

    The axiom ‘actions speak louder than words’ applies here, if CCP gave a fuck they’d have done something to make it happen.

    • Jay

      This assumes that reviewing the minutes are somehow the top priority to a software company. They have three priorities: Program a good game, consult the CSM and document the process. If the last of those has to take a backseat to the first two, I’m ok with that as long as it’s not the other way around. If one part of it has to suffer, I’m happy to say that the documentation process is it.

      That said, I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have the documentation as well.

      • GrouchyOldGamer

        Why have a summit then? Frankly I’m not a huge fan of the CSM process anyway, however, they have a team that is specifically there to communicate with the player base; not code, So there really isn’t any excuse.

        • Jay

          What do you think the minutes accomplishes exactly? I’ll admit they’re important, but it’s not exactly the end of the democratic system if they’re late. It just means we have to trust the CSM a little more than we really should need to normally, and the bloggers have to come up with something else to talk about in the meantime.

          But ok, yeah. How dare the CSM not raze CCP headquarters to the ground for it. And yeah, how dare CCP give us this particular democratic system. Those bastards! It’s not perfect, so how dare they give it to us at all?

          • GrouchyOldGamer

            The CSM summits are there for CCP and the CSM to demonstrate how they are working together and update us on CCP’s vision. Frankly if the CCP community team can’t invest in the process, scrap the CSM. It’s focus group, that’s it, and CCP can find more inclusive ways of doing it. Apparently CCP care as much about the CSM as the player base does, which is why the minutes aren’t out and the majority of players don’t even vote for it. Time has come to just kill it off.

          • Jay

            Wow, such entitlement in such a little post. What’s your next demand? Shall they pay us to play?

            The CSM isn’t just a focus group. A focus group is chosen to represent a random sampling of people from a group – which goes against the very idea of voting people in. We vote them in to represent us because they’re players who not only represent us, but know what the hell they’re talking about and can accurately describe what will be good and bad for the game. As for what they do? Aside from apparently bowing to your every demand in your weird ideal world, they’re meant to be there so that they can point out unintended consequences and exploits of changes and give CCP a better understanding of how their ideas will be received before they’re made.

            So no. The summits aren’t there to “Demonstrate” anything to you. They’re their so that CCP can work together with the community to provide us with a better game. The demonstrating that they’re actually doing that for us is a secondary but necessary point that makes it so that the democratic process of voting the CSM in actually work, not to assuage your ego.

          • GrouchyOldGamer

            You appear to think the CSM is some sort of democratic representative body, how cute.

          • Jay

            Chances are, if you think this democratic process has failed, you’ll think that anything that replaces it is just as bad. In other words, you are bitching for the sake of bitching with no intention of seeing anything better, probably in the hopes that people will reply to you and join your little circle jerk.

          • GrouchyOldGamer

            lol … you replied to me.

  • l0rd carlos

    wow, 40m just about the CSM minutes? What made you think that was a good idea? That part was very, VERY, redundant.

    • Quityerbitchin

      The fact that it has been an ongoing issue for MONTHS now, perhaps? I don’t know if you’ve been listening to CZ lately, but it comes up on every podcast. And rightfully so; CCP is showing their true colors when it comes to their level of buy-in with CSM functions.

      • Snow Axe

        It was clear within about 10 minutes of the topic being discussed that even if Mike had an opinion that wasn’t the verbal equivalent of a shoulder-shrug, he wasn’t going to share it. The lack of them is important (moreso than the minutes themselves I’d argue), but there’s not a whole lot to discuss about them, especially when the interviewee doesn’t have much of an opinion.

        So yeah, bad move by Xander to not either get someone with an opinion (or a personality for that matter), or have a Plan B in case the conversation goes nowhere quickly (which it did).

        • xanderphoena

          Despite asking them repeatedly and often, as I said on the show, no-one else from CSM8 was willing and/or available to come on. Mike was literally the only guy who was willing to come on for the monthly interview.

          I tried to push Mike and I think he was pretty forthright on a lot of issues but ultimately, I can only work with what I’ve got. It would have been great to have a Trebor or a Kesper on as well as Mike. As it is, I appreciate him taking time out of a busy festive season to sit down for an hour to talk to me.

  • Kamar Raimo

    Dolan might be reinventing the wheel.

    I see a dark future for everything depending on working wheels.