Crossing Zebras Episode 40


Crossing Zebras officially hits middle age this week and who better to honour us with his presence on this important milestone than Pandemic Legion pilot, ATXI winner and, most importantly, Crossing Zebras columnist, Forlorn Wongraven. It’s been a few weeks since we last recorded because of Xander being offshore so there is plenty to get through this episode which explains why it is slightly longer than normal. We can’t go without ignoring the huge elephant in the room with the recent Erotica 1 situation so that comes up in part one. In part two, we discuss the recently announced drone changes for the summer expansion. In the last part of the show we have a general grab bag of topics including a recent CZ roam, the CSM9 election and the Eve Source book. Buckle in, it’s going to get bumpy…

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Erotica 1 – We didn’t want to spend too long dissecting this one but on the other hand, we didn’t feel we could simply ignore it either – it’s too much of a hot potato in the community. There’s a full and frank discussion on this one in here. For further reading, I highly recommend checking out NosyGamer’s recent blog post here.


Drone Changes – A whole raft of drone changes for the summer expansion have been announced by CCP Fozzie a couple of days back here. We discuss the details of the changes and what they could mean for various factions in Eve going forward.


CSM9 Campaign Season – Another quick update on the current CSM9 election campaign as it reaches it’s climax.

CZ Roam – In response to High Drag and their recent attempts to take down Xander (and Jeg?), CZ rolls out in Police Comets to meet them in their home space with some rather unexpected results…

Eve Source – All three hosts this week have bought Eve Source with Xander and Forlorn buying the standard edition and Jeg the limited edition. We discuss the contents of each and whether they represent good value for money.

What we are up to in game

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And please take part in our contest this week! Post an Eve-related joke or funny story in the comments below. The first five that make myself or Jeg chuckle will win a 100m ISK code to spend how they please on Eve Bet. – At last you can get your own Crossing Zebras merchandise! The guys over at have done some amazing custom artwork t-shirts for us so I highly recommend going and checking them out and get yourself kitted out in the coolest clobber in all of Eve Online!

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This episode’s playlist is as follows:

New Kids On The Block – You Got It (The Right Stuff)

Duke Dumont feat. Jax Jones – I Got U

Calvin Harrisn – Summer

Tags: csm, csm9, drone, drones, erotica 1, forlorn, source

About the author

Xander Phoena

The good looking, funny, intelligent member of the team, Xander set up Crossing Zebras with Jeg in April 2012 mainly because he was talking too much about Eve on his other podcast. Playing the game for almost five years, Xander still has absolutely zero clue about how to actually play Eve but somehow still manages to talk a good game.

  • draekas .

    Wouldn’t NOT banning him also set just as strong a precedent? Basically they’d be announcing to the world that cyber bullying is alive and well within EVE online, and that’s fine with them… for a Teen rated game.

    If they went that way, and the real media caught wind of it, I could certainly imagine a situation where they could run into real legal issues with various countries around the world.

    On top of that, it would also mean that this kind of action would be just fine and dandy within EVE. So the line would be pushed even further out by someone else to something even MORE morally reprehensible. We’d be having the same discussion a year from now about an even worse situation, with essentially the same set of choices on CCPs end.

    CCP was damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. I’m sure they chose the path that they saw as best for their business in the future.

    • xanderphoena

      It’s an absolutely reasonable point – CCP were really in a difficult spot with this one. I am just of the opinion that if the CCP had said ‘we find this behaviour morally reprehensible but as this happened off out servers, our hands are tied. We trust that out community will police this situation in a way they see fit.’ That guy would have been hounded out the game and CCP would have an awesome PR story to tell. As it is, I have a funny feeling that this ruling is going to be gamed into the ground going forward.

      • Fuzzysteve

        I could understand a warning from CCP, with a ban if it reoccurs. That work work well, I think.

        (Hounded out of the game doesn’t really work that well. Especially for people that don’t undock)

        • Saint

          This would be the best option.

      • Jayem See

        Interesting podcast Xander.
        My personal take on this is that CCP were perfectly within their rights to ban E1. E1 has stated on Eve-O that the bonus room was purely designed to be impossible, in order to protect his “legit” reputation within Eve Online.

        The conversation may have taken place out of game but the purpose and motivation for E1’s actions had a direct, continued impact within Eve.
        It’s very much an edge case. Not many people will ever take things as far as E1 did.
        I disagree with you that CCP acted incorrectly in this instance. They are a solid enough outfit that if they get complaints then they will bat them back with “no deal – this is within the rules.”
        They cannot legislate for every eventuality so they have to be able to act how they see fit. I applaud them taking action and sending a message.

      • draekas .

        How could the community police Erotica 1 though? I got the distinct impression that he was getting a kick out of all the extra attention, even though it was overwhelmingly negative towards him. If he didn’t get banned, then it would be even more so.

        Think of the thousands of tears he’d collect from all over the place by rubbing their noses with the bonus room recording that was left alone by CCP.

        So how could the community police someone that doesn’t undock? Sit in the same system as him spamming local about how bad he is, until the end of time? Couldn’t that be constituted as actual in game harassment?

  • Saint

    Erotica1 has unfortunately won Eve. Everyone is talking about him and arguing with each other and for a guy who clearly gets off and any attention (good or bad) he will be loving this. I really wish we could get back to talking about spaceships rather than a troll who preys on the stupid who never undocks.

    Keep up the excellent, excellent podcastery.

  • Tombomb13

    This was the first podcast I listened to. I didn’t think I’d enjoy EVE podcasts but I listened to the whole thing and it was great!.
    A couple of points on the banning of Erotica1, and I think it’s more a case of him just setting the example or a precedence here.

    NOHO have a record of fulfilling their teamspeak request to releae captives if they sing. Erotica1 and co were always going to scam, and have a record of that. The other argument against this is that it means pilots have to have a record of fulfilling their end of the deal.

    Next, I think the bounty system doesn’t work that well. My inactive trading character has a bounty. I am not dishonest, I just pissed someone off. So basically it means that Erotica has a bounty just as I do. Albeit, Erotica1 has 40 bil compared to my 14 mil. THe bounty system was supposed to prevent people from doing too many bad things because larger bounties make you a larger target. Since you don’t have to undock, the 40bil bounty makes little difference, as long as they don’t mind undocking, and I’d imagine someone like that has plenty of other non-bountied characters to enjoy space with.

    A good point was made by one of your guests, to bring this into the new player training. To trust no-one with a bounty. I realise trust will be gained eventually or through some elaborate explanation about how you got the bounty.

    I agree that Erortica1 will be enjoying this fame, but I think it’s more important to talk about his actions because they are performed in EVE everyday to some extent by a lot of pilots.

    Finally, CCP did say they would be policing this on a case by case basis, so a change in the EULA or something like it would not need to happen. They will see, for example, NOHO in a different light to Erotica1. You can even extent that to the BLINK competitions where people are brought in a teamspeak channel to sing for prizes.

    Thanks for the podcast.

    • xanderphoena

      Thanks for the detailed and well-written response! It’s such a complex and difficult area as you probably realise from myself and Jeg arguing. I just worry personally that with such a committed and intelligent player base, people will take advantage of the E1 ruling to cause more problems for CCP and by proxy, Eve at large through liberal interpretations of the rules and petitioning.

    • Forlorn Wongraven

      There is a small group of people using API data to put bounty on every character in EVE, its the common 100000 ISK.

  • Loscos Cosquiscador

    I can’t think of a proper eve joke, but Xenuria is up for election for CSM, does thast count?

    • xanderphoena

      This joke makes me sad because it is actually true. But hey, you put in the minimum effort so have yourself a code!

      • Loscos Cosquiscador

        minimum effort for reward, its the true eve way! Thankyou for the code, already placed my bets!

  • Saint

    Hmm.. this is a lot harder than it sounds.

    Q: How many Brave Noobies does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A: More than you can count but they’ll have more fun than you doing it the normal way.
    —–Q: Why did the faction warfare pilot cross the complex?
    A: To get to the other side.

    A Gallantean, a Amarrian and a Caldarian all walk into a space bar…..

    They can’t see each other or interact, but they know they are all there and it looks very pretty.

    Q:What do you call a High Sec mission runner in a Shiny Raven Navy Issue in Gonditsa?
    P: No idea, he was podded before you logged on.

    • xanderphoena

      These are terrible but hey, I’ve heard worse. Code on it’s way!

      Saint, what’s your full in-game name again? I know you are often in channel but I jumped in for a look there and can’t see you.

      • Saint

        Saint Michaels Soul – Apologies, can’t be bothered to type that out most of the time…. Oh… and “Yay”!

  • Wing Hong

    Yo mamas so fat when she jumped through a gate and crashed the node

    • xanderphoena

      Terrible but better than nothing so code sent! 🙂

      • Wing Hong

        Haha Thanks, my eve character is Actually Wing Hong Kwok, my bad. But not to worry 😉

        • xanderphoena

          Ah hell, I sent the code to the character named ‘Wing Hong’. I did say in the ep make sure and reply with your character name 🙁

  • Wing Hong

    Jeg has no shout-outs because he doesn’t play eve 😉

  • Cheers mate best podcast in my humbelist of opinions, got my vote!

  • jdizzler-uk

    Randomly, I can’t think of a decent joke, I Ashtorothi can’t think of anything that would make you giggle… Perhaps if I could Fin(taru)ish my thoughts I may be Kyle able to think of something suitably weak and feeble that would get me a bet. I’m High-Dragging through all my thoughts and nothing seems like a joke…

    Hang-on, what about the Xander corpse competition… 😉

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