Bazaar Characters

Sindel is back once again and this week she is discussing one of the most difficult parts of Eve – the concept of ‘career’ and the associated skill training needed for it Meet Sam. Body Image Sam is my newest character, started with the 60-day code I found on the back of my Eve Online Collector’s Edition. Pretty cute, huh? I had all kinds of grandiose plans for Sam when I created him. It was my intention to train him to PLEX his account so I wouldn’t have to pay for him. A girl should pay for many things; a man should never be one of them. *cough* You know when you have multiple toons all training for different things? You train your alt to do specific things and once they’re accomplished, you just get… stuck? This is me right now. The worst thing is, I only have three accounts. This should be easy! But I’m me, so it’s not. I can’t imagine what it’d be like if I had to train on more than this. I’d go batshit insane trying to keep it all straight. Just so we’re all on the same page, I’m going to list everyone out for you. Sindel is my PvP pilot. Duh, right? I created her in February of 2011 and she has about 50 million SP, most of which are in Spaceship Command and Gunnery. I don’t ever worry about what to train on her because PL constantly changes doctrine so I have to train accordingly. It’s especially easy when you have someone like Hedliner make a list of skills to train in order of importance. He’s nice, that one. Great hair, too. Angel is, obviously, the character who holds my charity. Angel is still in an alpha clone because the only things I trained on her were Corporation Management and Contracts. She never undocks and is strictly administrative. I don’t ever worry about her, either, as her main ride is a shuttle. Cae, the other half of the Angel account, is a different story. She is the cause of 99% of my training woes. Currently, she is training Advanced Mass Production V. I had originally trained her as an exploration alt. She can pilot a Tengu and uses a decent fit for running sites. After I got her into a tech III, I trained up probing. I then decided to train her to fly a freighter so she could move assets for The Angel Project. Her usual ride is a Charon or Rhea. Now that she’s got all her freighter skills (JDC, JFC, etc.) to V, I need a new project for her and I have no idea what to do. I can’t sell her; no one would want an indy/exploration/freighter pilot. Her skills suit me fine, but anyone else would think she’s schizophrenic as fuck. Plus, she’s kind of busy right now searching for an impossible planet in a dangerous location with the help of some unlikely friends. I’m on my honor not to launch probes in their home system so I am stuck there until they help me find my planet. Or, you know, until she loses her ship. Whatever. This brings us back to Sam. In addition to a stagnant Cae, I’m also having issues with him. Sam is a good guy, he just needs guidance and direction. He’s got the beginnings of a nice indy toon. Industry, Production Efficiency, Adv. Production Efficiency, Mining, all to V. Here’s my problem, though: I. Have. No. Fucking. Idea. What. I’m. Doing. Seriously, this is a bad idea. Industry is one giant spreadsheet after another. I’m not a spreadsheet girl!!! I’m a shoot-people-in-the-face-then-buy-them-ice-cream girl. After two months of trying and failing to get this manufacturing shit down, I had to surrender and use a PLEX on him, which really pissed me off. Honestly, though, I’m also more-than-a-little relieved to be giving up. Eve is hard. That’s kinda the point of all this. I need y’all to help make this easier. I tell you what I’d like, you tell me what you think I should do, I try it, immediately fail and hilarity ensues. So, here we are, dear reader, doing a Choose Your Own Adventure of sorts. Oooooh! Or Eve Dirty Jobs. I could totally be Mike Rowe, just not a dude. Here are my desires: enough isk to PLEX at least one, but hopefully two accounts, minimal time commitment (I am fighting a war, after all), and a straightforward skill set. No manufacturing – unless someone can point me in the general direction of a tutorial that doesn’t make me want to scoop my eyes out with a molded plastic Rifter. No blob warfare (I’d be happy if this were the only wish granted). Empire space preferred. I should say now that I don’t have any specific time this needs to happen by and I can continue to use a credit card for Eve, but I don’t want to if I don’t need to, you know? I want to do those mythical things I’ve only ever heard about: paying for Eve with fake money and becoming independently wealthy. I just don’t know how. It’s funny. I’ve spent the last year and a half trying to take care of everyone else in New Eden and I’ve forgotten to look after myself. Well, I can’t take care of others if I’m so tired and irritated that I don’t want to play anymore. Here’s to a new approach – looking after myself too. Oh, and for all those people who are grumbling that I’m asking for help with something as simple as finding a profession and sticking with it, please don’t. I openly admit that I have no clue what I’m doing. I have the attention span of a caffeinated Chihuahua and very little patience with myself and my abilities. This translates to a bunch of half-finished lists and a lot of frustration. I’m asking for help because there are a lot of people out there who know a lot more about this game than I do, not because I’m a damsel – even though I am most certainly distressed. I don’t want to be bailed out; I’m asking for advice. Please list suggestions and/or links to resources below. TIA.
Tags: angel project, careers, sindel

About the author

Sindel Pellion

Trying to figure out where you’ve heard her name? When not running in-game charity, The Angel Project, she has a thing for taking catchy pop songs and making mediocre Eve parodies from them. For some reason, people encourage this nonsense.

  • HVAC Repairman

    Man, this post was helpful. You’re like the helpful Aunt I never had.

    • Sindel Pellion

      I will hurt you, Nephew. Hurt you with fire.

  • Saint

    Sam sounds like my main (or at least how it started). Find a nice little dead end system in npc null (-0.3 or lower) with an ice field and the right planets, produce fuel blocks by the truckload and rat through every asteroid field when you get bored, taking any loot worth more than 0.5m isk under 20m3 volume. If there is a medium sized psychotic blue alliance in the gateway systems to your new home, so much the better.

    As long as its fairly quiet (and most of null is dead as flared courdrouy) you’ll get a special spawn or two a day and make about 250m isk on average. This is semi-afk, just watching local. You can use cheap crap, like a procurer and assault frig for this, so you’re never a big shiny target.

    Just doing this pays for all my accounts and gets me enough mats to make a big input into my alliances cap builds. Barely covers my PvP habit though 🙁

  • Eti

    Train him for logi (logi 4 is enough to start) and join incursion fleets, like The Valhalla Project. 150m isk / h in Empire, plus a lot of fun. 🙂 You can continue his training from logi V to carrier for example.

  • The Dangus

    If you use Isk Per Hour you shouldn’t need to use a spreadsheet for manufacturing. The hard part comes when its time to sell your stuff.

    • Sindel Pellion

      Yeah, I have no idea what that means. ELI5, please?

  • Bleyddyn

    If you have access to sov null with Sam you could have him do PI. Probably not enough income from just one toon for a Plex, but it’s very low time input so you could do other stuff as well.

  • Pfft

    If you are looking for something that can generate enough isk/hour to plex accounts. I would use one toon to get into Incursions. You can do it with Logi, T3’s or even Battleships. Roughly 100million and hour so if you did it for a couple hours on weekends you could plex one account.

  • Natil

    That sounds like the mother of all practical jokes… “Sure we’ll help you, but you can’t launch probes in our system.” How many months you planning on sitting in that wh until you question their sincerity?

    • Sindel Pellion

      Being the most trusting idiot in Eve, I’d say… a year? Six?

  • Prial

    Cae sounds like the character i’m trying to build for my alt but i’m starting with mining instead of exploration.

  • MaraRinn

    Check the Making ISK guide on the Evelopedia:

    For low-attention ISK making, I’d suggest trade & PI.

    For moderate attention and a definite change in pace from PvP try joining Pro Synergy (with a throwaway alt, leave Sam out-of-corp) and becoming a contract salvager. It’s not particularly high income for a veteran player, but it’s a decently social environment and you’ll encounter new people who don’t think the same way about EVE as most null/low sec players.

  • raylu

    I think you had unreasonable expectations. As an EVE veteran, you wouldn’t recommend a newbie to try to PLEX his account after a mere 60 days. It’s possible, but it’s a really boring grind.

    As you probably knew before you started doing industry, EVE industry is basically a whole ‘nother game. You’re effectively a newbie trying to PLEX herself after 60 days. You didn’t want to spend the time to grind ISK with a few million SP either.

    That said, if I were you, I probably would have gone for 3 PI alts. Having multiple low-SP PI characters is better than one high-SP one. It’s really boring and I stopped doing it, but if you want the ISK, that’s a fairly passive way of getting it.

    • Sindel Pellion

      I disagree with the “unreasonable expectations”. I have seen people grind their way to a PLEX with a 30-day trial. Hell, I’ve bet people they couldn’t do it with a 30-day trial and watched them prove me wrong. I gave myself twice as much time, but choked when it came time to make a decision about how to go about it. Also, I didn’t really have expectations at all. I had hoped I could figure my shit out in time to PLEX myself, but I didn’t expect to do it.

      I have looked into PI and I might try it out, but I might just say “Fuck it!”, train into a fragile dessie or cruiser, join FW and grind all day long.

      • raylu

        Right. It’s certainly possible with a long, boring grind. But you didn’t want a long, boring grind.

  • Poetic Stanziel

    Darn. i thought we were getting a new song today. 🙁

    This article was pretty good, though.

    • Sindel Pellion

      I’m not getting along with Adobe Audition right now. Basically, it’s leading me to believe I picked a terrible song that I can’t fix. I shouldn’t have given myself a deadline; this shit will work itself out if it’s meant to.

  • SpaceNoob

    Tell us if it’s possible to PLEX on level 4 missions in hi sec space, semi-afk. Try all types of missions. After all “You got a job, we can do it. Don’t much care what it is.”. Don’t forget to tell us what delightful rogues appear when you drop a Mobile Tractor Unit.

  • Rilemack

    Copied from Reddir/r/eve thread:

    There was hardly any focus to this article. I thought she was training a character to sell on Bazaar. Later on she babbles about cross-career trained characters and making ISK for PLEX.

    Anyway my advice for manufacturing:

    * Focus on certain group of items
    * Get BPOs researched to optimal level (that’s nowhere near max)
    * Check for what it costs to make 1 item if you bought minerals from market
    *Apply your own profit margins
    * Markets fluctuate, wait for prices to meet your target
    * Sell the whole batch

    Ideally you can manufacture when the item is hot. Another approach is to hoard items and sell them when time is right. Mineral prices vary so you need to take that in account (kind of) even when you mine the stuff yourself. If you manufacture this way there’s no need to train Spreadsheets V, but III would not hurt. Whether or not you meet your target of 1 PLEX this way depends on variety and items you can manufacture.

  • Ahnog

    I make my plexs by market trading and mission running. I’m a year ahead on one account and pay for my second account.