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CO2 Leaves The Imperium After Bloody Battle in J-GAMP and M-OEE8


Recent months have seen an escalation of aggression towards The Imperium from different pockets of Eve Online. What started as a disagreement between SMA and I Want ISK has snowballed into something with wide-reaching consequences for the entirety of New Eden.

The long-held theory is that any coalition that remains King of the Hill for a substantial length of time is eventually brought to its knees. Typically this is down to internal atrophy as most famously evidenced by the collapse of the original Northern Coalition, despite amassing insurmountable riches and numbers. There can be no doubt that The Imperium had a far more robust internal organisation than the old NC ever had, but with 40k+ members, it was inevitable that entities would ally in an attempt to take down an entity that was perceived, correctly or otherwise, to have become bloated.


The Imperium has had a what could be generously described as ‘awkward’ moments in recent times from a disastrous Kickstarter campaign, accusations leveled at the wider Eve Online community~, dogpiling into lowsec space and the aforementioned disagreements with I Want ISK. TISHU were hired by IWI to harass SMA, and after their great success it was clear blood was in the water.

“…work towards a what they perceive to be a greater good – the destruction of The Imperium.”

Attempting to take down a long standing coalition of over 40k members was always going to require some serious bluing-up. Smaller coalitions had already been formed to skirmish with The Imperium and these appeared to be working together with more purpose towards a general goal of destroying the GSF-lead body. Whilst far from being a formal coalition of alliances, it’s clear that The Imperium has not endeared itself to the wider Eve Online community, and this turned into a genuine opportunity for said community to strike back in a tangible manner. This has been seen as an opportunity for entities as disparate as Pandemic Legion, TEST, Mercenary Coalition, TISHU, Snuffed Out and Northern Coalition to name but a few, to work together in however tenuous an arrangement (an organisation some – read r/Eve – are calling the Money Badger Coalition) to work towards a what they perceive to be a greater good – the destruction of The Imperium.

Money Badger Coalition logo


The shock news from less than 48 hours ago came when The Imperium announced a formal withdrawal from Vale of the Silent. This was a region they have held for a number of years now, but was considered more difficult to defend under the recent changes to game mechanics in both Phoebe and Aegis. The residents of Vale – LAWN and my old alliance BASTION – were to withdraw with immediate effect to safer NPC space. This alone was perceived to be a massive step down for The Imperium. Whilst it was clear that Vale was much more difficult to defend than it had been previously, the ease at which it was conceded was shocking. That said, concentrating forces into more easily defendable space is a common tactic we have seen previously. This was clearly a victory for the allied forces to be sure, but far from decisive. Nontheless, the signs were clear that New Eden was heading for another Great War.

New Eden at War

If there was any doubt that we were staring down the barrel of another cluster-wide conflict however, the evening of March 28th 2016 has removed it. With an Circle of Two iHub timer in M-OEE8 coming out at 1900 Eve, red pens were called all round and the single largest engagement in New Eden since B-R was set to occur. Over 3,400 pilots made their way into the adjacent system of J-GAMP in the 1P-VL2 constellation in Tribute with smaller skirmishes in surrounding systems.

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With TiDi firmly stuck in 10%, the main battle was fought on the M-OEE8 gate in J-GAMP. Attending Crossing Zebras staff reported that the server was having some performance issues with the usual effects of modules and commands not activating at times, with yet unconfirmed sources saying that some ships were stuck in the warp tunnel entering the system while showing up on grid and being destroyed. However, these were relatively rare exceptions it seems (no doubt thanks to CCPs Brain In The Box update and new T3 hardware), for the most part the battle proceeded, although sluggishly, and considering the numbers involved was a rather quick and decisive victory for the Money Badger Coalition. (Link to the battle report, be aware however that all kills may not have been processed yet and the report still contains some errors.)

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As the battle on the gate slowed down and the Imperium forces that could fled the field, the rest being put out of their misery, Pandemic Legion Rattlesnakes and others returned to the contested iHub of M-OEE8. Chasing off a force of Machariels harassing PL Chimeras capturing the structure, MBC forces secured the timer. From the onset of battle, until the iHub was taken, three hours had passed. The butcher’s bill for the main battle and skirmishes in surrounding systems landing at 468 billion ISK, of which Imperium losses accounted for well over 300b, according to initial reports.

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What was to come next from CO2 late into the fight was most unexpected however:

For years now we (CO2) have been loyal towards the CFC (Imperium). We, as an alliance, have for a large part never been seen as a full member by GSF. As a result we’ve never been treated nor represented as such. The basis of the coalition – it being a meritocracy – became an affront over time.

In the same timespan the list of grievances grew. I will not go into detail as the people involved know full well whom and what I’m talking about. They can mostly be summed up as GSF taking care of their interests and at the same time blatantly disregarding the coalition policies they claim to uphold.

Plenty of times Goons (Corps Diplomatique in particular) showed a total lack of consideration – we remained silent. Corporations were poached from us, disregarding coalition procedures. The Goonswarm director responsible is still sitting in his chair – we remained silent Blacklisted corporations were recruited by allies – unblacklisted because it suited them – we remained silent We were not okay with messing with Provi’s sov – we remained silent The Viceroy plan was just ridiculous – we remained silent

Exactly 5 months ago Sion threatened to expel Circle-Of-Two from the coalition. In very clear terms we were ordered to fall in line or suffer the consequences. We choose the latter and informed our members that expulsion was imminent from that point on.

We continued to do what good allies are supposed to do; help where assistance was needed. At the same time we did what we think an alliance should do; take care of our members, try to grow and better ourselves.

We had, separate from Goons, made plans to defend Tribute and Vale together with The Bastion and Get Off My Lawn. All it took was a candlelit dinner with Mittens for The Bastion and Lawn to completely abandon Vale and leave CO2 alone to defend Tribute. The whole time other Imperium alliances were called to Saranen, while we were not even informed of such movements or how they would relate in regards to the defense of Tribute.

Over the past few months it has become increasingly clear that we have served (only) as a meatshield. Circle-Of-Two is NOT a meatshield. We will not stand as the wall that defends Deklein from the angry hordes for the benefit of Goons. We will no longer subject our pilots to the indecency of watching their hard work burn while Goons sit in their ivory tower. We will no longer stand as an unequal partner in The Imperium. For the good of our members we will be separating ourselves from The Imperium with a full and complete reset of all Imperium member alliances as of 2016.03.29 at 00:01 EVE Time.

~CO2 Leadership

There was some confusion as to whether or not this was a hoax but it appears to have been confirmed by The Mittani himself in the following pings to his coalition:

It appears that after spending the entire day with us fighting on their behalf to defend their home, C02 has chosen to reset the entire coalition in approximately the next 30 minutes. That’s a pretty impressive backstab, and it’s apparently all our fault. This is a shame, but there’s no question of right or wrong on this one: we’ve expended a tremendous amount of blood and treasure defending C02 assets in Hakonen and Tribute over the past two months, and this is the spit in our eye after an all-day defense of their homeland.

~~~ This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all ~~~

Apparently C02’s senior leadership met this morning and decided to play this card regardless of how this M-O fight went down. That explains why we discovered this morning to our shock that there were no cynojammers in the target constellation, and that they knew they would flip on all of us even as we were doing our best to be loyal defenders of their territory. It also explains why the hostiles had their capfleets ready and waiting; they hoped for us to risk our supers, in hopes of C02 turning on us. The easter holiday off, the invitation of every random Eve 3rd party to join an otherwise irrelevant ihub timer: all becomes clear. This was a planned trap, one which we thankfully were not dumb enough to stick our super fleet into. This is why it is all the more crucial that we evacuated the LAWN/Bastion superfleet from Vale~

~~~ This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all ~~~

Undoubtedly there is a degree of damage control here as is completely understandable given the circumstances. CO2 cite mismanagement from the wider Imperium, and in particular Corp Diplomatique, for their lingering dissatisfaction with life in the coalition. On the other hand, it would appear that Imperium leadership were aware of a growing schism between CO2 and the rest of the coalition. At the time of writing this, we do not know what the long-term plans for CO2 are but an educated guess would suggest them fighting their former alliance mates on the side of the MBC.

On reading #tweetfleet Slack, MBC forces are clearly playing this singular fight over an irrelevant timer to be of a far greater significance than it is in and of itself. But for the moment, The Imperium are ceding both regions and manpower, and many opposing alliances in Eve right now smell blood in the water.

Eve historians and Goon supporters will remind us that they’ve been here before. The losses and betrayals of the past 48 hours may galvanize The Imperium into a singular military force that can dispatch the roughly aligned forces of their enemies. Initial success could lead towards the Money Badger Coalition making a tragically overconfident move that leads to their downfall. The formidable and storied diplomatic and spy capabilities may be brought to divide the many strong personalities that, for now, are acting together. The erstwhile allies may fall apart arguing over expectations of pay from their monied masters.

One thing is clear though: we’re in for a hell of a story.


Tags: battle, CO2, great war, J-GAMP, M-OEE8, Money Badger Coalition, The Imperium, war, Xander Phoena

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Xander Phoena

The good looking, funny, intelligent member of the team, Xander set up Crossing Zebras with Jeg in April 2012 mainly because he was talking too much about Eve on his other podcast. Playing the game for almost five years, Xander still has absolutely zero clue about how to actually play Eve but somehow still manages to talk a good game.

  • Jezaja

    Good article with interesting statements. The next weeks will be very interesting in EVE 😀

  • Freelancer117


    It’s all about Tribute and after CO2 “withdrawal” from the Emporium everything is exposed.

  • Blood Animus

    Excellent article, probably the best I’ve read so far.

  • Moonlight

    I can confirm there were indded problems with entering the system and then within the system. For one, a full FCON&RAZOR fleet was defanged by enemy bombers while at 0 at the gate. Ships were taking bomb dmg despite messages of ‘session change already in progress’. While I understand that supporting 3k+ players in a system is challanging to say the least, it’s still painful to see 150+ players get podded home with no fault of their own whatsoever. From the sole game experience point of view, taking the possible outcome of the battle aside, that should not have happened.

  • The Cabal

    The challenge with this development is the progression of circumstances (or perhaps degradation of circumstances would be a more accurate description) occurs often behind closed doors. Corp diplomatique, as I described on another thread in Reddit, are “but pawns used to relay the message of the ~great leader~ and to gauge the commitments of its member alliances.”

    The challenge of running an alliance within the context of the CFC (they will always be the CFC) is the maintenance of control over the narrative amongst coalition alliances whilst giving the individual alliances an impression that they are important, autonomous entities amongst ‘friends.’ This is the core of corp diplomatique’s job and the purpose behind GSF’s running the coalition. The common misconception is, of course, that CFC alliances are autonomous because those that do not choose to follow Mittani’s rather foolish reasons for going to war are destined for scathing and rebuking remarks. The end narrative, of course, results in political movements seen time and time again which involves alienating those alliances trying to be more independent and selective when going off into battle and stabbing them in the back for not following ~his~ commands.

    Co2 finally awoke from their slumber and are making the conscious decision to act in the best interests of their alliance when those around them failed to hold their end of the bargain. There was a agreement between Bastion, LAWN, and Co2 to collectively defend Vale as of 26.3. Very quickly thereafter, however, some people were wooed and awed over a tasty candlelit dinner and the decision to leave and meet the rest of the coalition in Saranen left Co2 to defend their space. While the Bastion and LAWN allegedly informed Co2, the coalition ~leadership~ (including corp diplomatique) did not.

    Read into this as you may but it goes to show that once again, Mittani gets what Mittani wants and it is most certainly contributing to the nullsec super power shift that has resulted in a near death to EVE Online nullsec. Now Fozziesov hits and while there are many improvements and iterations to be made, fights are happening and Mittani is beginning to lose his grip whilst failing to adapt to the ~new EVE~ where karma is finally occurring and there is very little he can say this time that proves otherwise that the CFC is a #1 Goonswarm interests only protection mechanism under which a deceptive perception (molded carefully by Mittani through corp diplomatique) of them being friends to allies means safety for all…all in the name of self protection. Unlike for Co2, the tragic part is, member alliances thinking ‘self’ (protection) refers to them are sadly mistaken and being taken as fools in a much larger narrative at their very expense.

    Salutations to you Xander from an acquaintance of mutual interests of times past

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  • Knobber

    Goons haven’t been in this situation before. They’ve lost key members over the last year. Thier top FC has left EVE and unlike before, there is no BL or PL to pay to make the problem go away.

    It’s too soon to call this but it doesn’t look good for Mittens. Even Russian intervention may not help.

    • Kama Kairade

      I was in BL during the BR5 battle and unfortunately, fought on the side of the CFC. BL then broke from the CFC. My understanding was that the CFC was to supply BL with cheap supers, and began to attach numerous strings after the deal was signed. Anyone know what really went down there?

  • GrouchyOldGamer

    Are the CFC doing a talk on how to be awesome diplos at fanfest again this year?

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